The Phenomenon of Braco’s Gaze: Interview with Drago Plecko

By Angelika Whitecliff. Article originally published at Examiner.com (August 8, 2009)

Interview with Drago Plecko, MSc., Parapsychologist and scientist from CroatiaI recently spent 21 days on tour with a phenomenon known to Eastern and Western Europe simply as Braco, the man with a special gaze that creates healing miracles in peoples lives. His popularity brought over 200,000 people to see him last year alone. This simple man, with a deep love of nature, has manifested an ability that is nothing less than astonishing. To introduce Braco to a new audience in the United States, this interview from my  book, 21 Days with Braco, offers an insightful perspective on his unique ability to heal and how it affects people. Braco has been sharing his special gift for 14 years and has never charged or accepted donations for his healing work.

From June 30, 2009 in Samobor, Croatia

Legend: A- Angelika; D – Drago

A. Let’s begin by talking about the beginning of Braco’s gazing ability?

D. There was a woman who came to him at Srebrnjak 1, after Ivica’s death, and handed a picture to him of her child. The child had a problem. She said I know if you touch the picture you can help the child. And Braco said no, I’m not some kind of healer. I’m not Ivica. She insisted. When they realized the child had recovered, they asked him to continue the mission. So he started. Initially he was talking to the people. It was quite a burden to talk to people because the questions are never ending. If you answer one question, two new questions are coming. Hundreds of people were coming asking all kinds of questions. Rumors later started that it was some kind of placebo effect, some kind of suggestion. It’s common in situations like this one. So what happened was basically that he turned to a new practice of gazing, only without communicating to people. And then through the years, all kinds of stuff happened and people told of their experiences, they described a lot of things happening to them, having dreams with him, having some physical ailments cured, having all kinds of problems solved and everything. And so he started visiting other countries, he was invited all over the place. People started reporting various improvements in health … marital problem were resolved. Stuff like that.

A. So it went completely beyond healing the body to healing the whole life?

D. Yes, that is the most amazing thing. If you observe, people are healed perfectly. If you move a person’s psyche towards a certain direction it can help the body in healing. But how can you resolve someone’s financial problems? This is highly unusual, people coming and telling their stories like – I have a horrible problem with my brother – we had a tremendous quarrel about money and inheritance. Suddenly, he came at my door, he was so friendly, everything was resolved easily. Nobody could actually understand this aspect.

A. So it would instantly happen?

D. Within short periods of time would be normal. It couldn’t be ascribed to the actions of the person. You know it was too unusual and it happened too many times. Everything is statistics so we can claim that some of these things happened accidently. But you cannot claim that everything happened like that. I still remember the guy who used to come, he was coming from Germany and his boy had epilepsy, epileptic Grand Mal seizures. It used to happen once or twice a week, it started killing him intellectually at all levels. So he used to come and after a while he reported that his boy did not have any seizures within the last 12 months. This is considered to be absolutely impossible medically speaking. Then other reports came.

A. So this phenomenon is harder to validate, because it’s not just validating medically that the body was healed, but that people’s relationships were healed, or their job situations or financial situations had changed – that’s harder to verify or to gather statistics on?

D. It’s easy to verify that it happened because these case histories are very convincing. It’s not that easy to explain it on the scientific level. I even think ultimately that there is not much point in proving it scientifically because it introduces the methodology of science. In some way, you destroy the essence of this transformation. If you want to enjoy the flower, you shouldn’t grab it, cut it in pieces, look at it under the microscope, stuff like that, you destroy the essence of it. It’s the same story in these spiritual matters; it’s always the same problem. Scientists want to dissect it, they want to see what’s inside, when they get some answers then they get new ideas to what they want to test next. Ultimately you are a guinea pig. There is no point in it.

A. But for people in general, to help them understand what is possible, has anyone gathered some of the medical healing cases together, just for the stories?

D. I did, I saw a lot of them. All of these cases, like this, one-meter high. The problem is not in medical documentation, the problem is in something else. The problem is in follow up on studies.

A. To see if the effect is long lasting?

D. You would need a professional crew to accomplish that task. It’s almost impossible. For example, a woman comes from Munich, I see the testimony and she brings the documentation, she had cancer, she improved enormously, she’s back to her job. Then she disappears. She doesn’t come back after another six months, so you can’t follow these people around. If you could do that you would need a whole big huge crew. A follow up study would be possible in some form of Institute. There is no Institute officially in this country or any European country that would be willing to perform the task.

A. Right, but I’ve seen cases where someone has been able to walk who couldn’t walk before. A transformation like that is something that is pretty concrete, right up front.

D. The problem is always like this – I presented a case to a neurologist and I said look, she had two strokes that hit her thalamus, she couldn’t walk the last seven years, she was in a wheel chair. They always have this wonderful word called spontaneous remission that explains everything. It’s not statistically significant or they would tell you that the placebo has some really powerful effects. So you always find some kind of a word in the scientific language which would suit the situation. So it’s endless. If you bring ten cases, all of these guys get up and say that anything is possible statistically – they would never face it. It’s strange that when this woman got up in Switzerland, two doctors gave a statement. They said yes, she’s our patient. She’s been in a wheelchair for seven years and it’s unusual, we can’t explain it. They did say this. But you know if you gather all this information, it would take you forever to objectify. If I tell you we have a case like this, it’s strange, unbelievable. They would always find new questions that would question your results. Its endless, it’s a mind game. It’s intellectual mumbo jumbo. You know, it’s like in medicine, if you want to prove something about a medicine, you can do that. Absolutely. You take one hundred patients, you are paid by the pharmaceutical industry, you distribute it to 100 people, twenty of them react properly and you take only that group. You add another twenty of them, you have a perfect scientific study that proves it works. It happens with many medicines. They would accuse you of doing the same stuff if you try to objectify it.

A. Let’s talk about Braco’s style as different to what Ivica did. Braco did not pick up the legacy of Ivica’s particular type of healing. Braco manifested something unique.

D. Yes. It was the need of time. Ivica definitely did not have so many people around him. He could afford to talk to someone for an hour for example. Or sit at a table with a dozen people and discuss for three hours. He could afford it. Braco can’t afford it anymore because so many people are coming. It’s a totally different situation; it’s not the same story. Besides that there’s always the temperament of a person. You have different teachers, different gurus, everyone has his own temperament. It depends on the personality. They are not the same personality, you know, education also. Braco is much more educated. So things develop, they are growing. Everything is like that. You can’t stay in the one place with the same story and the same style forever. It has to grow and develop. If it doesn’t develop it dies out

A. Do you think that Braco’s philosophy is similar to Ivica’s philosophy on life, healing and well being?

D. I don’t think they had philosophies. If you put that philosophy in one word that would be spontaneity. Take it as it comes. Take life as it comes. So you have to accept the facts of your life. And if you do that, let it go through you, that bad vibration at that point, you can survive it easier. It’s riding a wave more or less, it’s not easy, it’s very difficult.

A. This could explain why Braco has a very normal life. That he is married and has a son.

D. Yes, his life is normal. He is not a gambler; he is not a degenerate guy in any sense of the word. Yes he is projecting his own lifestyle to the people in front of him at a certain unconscious level. So you can say we are all connected unconsciously in this collective consciousness, all of us. More or less we are affecting each other all the time through communication, even if it is silent. So you can imagine him projecting his own qualities to the people in front of him, standing in front of him. So when they adjust to that way of thinking they spontaneously improve.

A. And yet Braco, unlike other healers and spiritual teachers and leaders, does not have a meditation practice, he has not been searching his whole life to find the secrets of life. He has had a very normal life in fact, and yet he affects people on this profound level. Why is he able to do this?

D. You see, I think of it as a manifestation of evolutionary needs. When people are in need, then somebody is there to serve that need. It’s hard to explain it. It’s like asking a guy why Wayne Gretzky was such a tremendous, unbelievably good player. It’s impossible to understand. He went through the same training as all the other guys. His physical appearance is not a big deal. It’s not something special. There is nothing special about him. There’s just one in the whole history. It’s the same thing, you know. When the pupil is ready the teacher appears. When someone who is in need is ready, someone who will solve the problem appears.

A. But you’re saying in this case it’s the collective consciousness of humanity that helps create someone like Braco?

D. Absolutely, of course. Otherwise it wouldn’t work. Braco never gave any interest to the media – no radio, no TV, no interviews. Still so many thousands gather at his place. Having 10,000 people on his birthday, for example. He had it in the days when people did not know anything about him publicly in the sense of media. You have to have that inborn charisma to attract people. I can understand why Michael Jackson attracted people. He has this tremendous machinery around him. Propaganda, marketing, everything was there. But here it is totally different – it is the opposite. You cannot actually answer exactly why and what is the reason. Everybody’s a manifestation of the collective unconscious; everybody has a mission in certain ways. Somebody understands it and he’s fulfilling his mission. The other guy is highly unaware of his own mission, his life is a failure because he can’t recognize why he is here, but maybe he does before he dies. And ultimately you have people who are aware of the higher mission or larger picture. And they are born like that. I’ve seen so many gurus and yogis; a lot of them haven’t actually accomplished anything after 40 years of meditation. They couldn’t tell anything. They couldn’t heal anybody, couldn’t tell anything about your future in terms of your life, why you are here and all that. So it’s also a possibility. On the other hand, you have people like Edgar Cayce, for example, who didn’t do anything, but he was a sleeping prophet. He dictated 45 books. All prophecy – he didn’t know anything about it. He did not meditate, he didn’t go to church, pray to God or a power or stuff like that. It’s the same situation here.

Gazing event with Braco, Stuttgart, Germany

A. What is the synergist effect between Braco and everyone present for a healing?

D. It’s called the radiance effect [or Maharishi Effect]. It was discovered by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. They asked him about it, so he said he had ten particles. Each one has the emission of a certain amount of energy. If they work on the same frequency it will not be 1+1+1, it will be exponential. It’s the same with meditation in his case. He said, if there are 10 of us, it will not affect 10 people, it will be like a thousand people, because this group effect is in everything, in nature. So there is this famous one percent thing. If you have a saline solution and you add one percent of a crystal to it, the whole solution will turn into crystal. So there is that effect of one percent that is significant. If there are 200 of us in one place, in synchrony with someone who is charismatic, then it will not be 200 people. It will be much more. If this 200 is one percent of a group, the potential effect will be a 100 times more people – 20,000. So it’s proven, even scientifically, that organized groups – they are praying, meditating, whatever – there is always some change of consciousness in the surrounding area. I mean crime rates have dropped, you know, stuff like that. Accident rates dropped. It’s rudimentary research, but it’s there and it’s obvious. So I think if you gather at the same time more people together in the name of something, it affects the collective consciousness much more. There’s no doubt about it. It’s scientifically proven. Even in nature you have these examples of one percent with crystals, with everything. I could tell you a lot of examples like that in nature – biological, chemical.

A. The way Braco lives, how do you think he influences people who want to better their lives? How do you think his example teaches other people?

D. No one knows much about his private life. Most of the people who come into his space are not aware too much about his private life. I don’t think he is giving some kind of moral example. I think it’s more or less at a subtle level. It’s like Shaktipat. [Sanskrit word in the Hindu spiritual tradition that refers to the act of the spiritual energy of kundalini being conferred on a disciple or student, by a guru or spiritual teacher in whom it is already active. A Conferring of Divine Grace.]  If you have ever seen anybody who has the power of delivering Shaktipat, then you know that type of transference of energy. I would call it Shaktipat, it’s the closest possible comparison. If you look at the person who has that ability and you don’t blink and you concentrate on his figure, and there’s a bunch of people around you and he is concentrating on you, these are the perfect conditions for something to happen that is called a transference of energy, whatever you call that energy. And I would call it Shaktipat. This is the closest, basically the only example. I have seen it with Punjaji, for example, an Indian master. Then Ramana Maheshi was famous for that. Then even Muktananda was famous for that. He was selling, for $300, Shaktipat and he took the peacock’s feather and he used to hit a person in the head and the person went into that tremendous bliss. There are many examples, and many forms of it. It’s like bringing that inner feeling of security, of certainty inside to people. It supports you tremendously if you know there is nothing bad that can happen to you, no matter how bad things look from outside. So they develop that inner resistance towards this pressure from outside. I think it’s activating your inner shield. Again, you can’t change your reality instantly. It’s impossible. You understand it’s too complex. But what you can do is change your self towards that reality, your attitude, even on the level of energy, your power of dealing with the situation on that most subtle level. That’s why people solve their marital problems, financial problems, stuff like that.

A. You start to attract things into your life. You’ve made that decision.

D. Yes. When the doors are open, you know the path. You can follow it. You already know that yes, that’s a high experience. It’s like a peak experience. For one second you know. More like that.

A. Eckhart Tolle talks about being in the now, and how important it is for all of us to be present right now. Do you think this is a major factor why Braco is able to manifest the abilities that he does, because of his ability to be present?

D. Not for him to be present, but the people. It’s very simple actually – if you look at the people and how concentrated they are. When you are fully concentrated on any object, particularly on a person, which has energy and everything included. It’s all you need actually for the best perception you can experience in that moment you are present. I think it’s the same story. He wouldn’t say that. He wouldn’t explain that, but the bottom line is that if you are present fully then anything can happen because you enter the stage of all possibility, of all potential. When you are present, at that point all the possibilities are opened.

A. When Braco is doing his healing, he is not projecting his will to heal?

D. No, on the contrary. It never works. If you project your will to the people, it will only work for a small percentage of the people. Because, if your personality, your ego, who you are psychologically is projected to people, you would find one out of ten that would like it. If you project that inner certainty, that inner potential of solving all the problems in a life, then you would attract nine out of ten.

A. And this is why the numbers keep building for Braco?

D. That’s right.

A. And why people can just look at his picture and be attracted without knowing fully what he does?

D. I have seen it so many times in temples in various places. If you go to the Hare Krishna Temple you will see the real plastic statue of the late Prabhupada. He was such a tremendously powerful charismatic figure, even if you look at him standing around you will see that face, you’ll feel that energy still. Yes, that’s it, that’s the story. So you can. But you can’t make it up. You can’t do it willingly, organize yourself to be better. You know what I mean – on that conscious level, the intellectual level. You can’t make a plan – now I’ll do this because it will work better. That’s one of the major illusions. You can’t be what you’re not. If you are trying to be what you are not, you are gone. You’re done, finished. So spontaneity is the only route through which he can work. If you start making arrangements about things – it’s like we would do this because it would affect people better – it’s not good, this is on the intellectual level. You can’t do that intellectual level, spiritually speaking you are lost. You lost the track. It has to work spontaneously.

A. I’ve noted with Braco that he does not read a lot of books and fill himself with information from other people. He’s very busy just being present, living his life, and allowing spontaneity to come through him. But most people don’t live this way.

D. That’s why they come to him. They wouldn’t need him if they would live like that.

A. So if you were to sum up for people how Braco’s way of living and being could help other people to have a better life, how would you sum up Braco? How would you sum up the way he lives his day-to-day life while serving other people?

D. I call it resonance, the principle of resonance. If you resonate with some source eventually you are becoming that source – but not on that superficial level.

A. Not because you are trying, but because you are open?

D. If you are trying this is the way not to become. This is the worst you can do, to try. So what happens is if you are open minded you are open to it. That resonance creates similarity with the source, not on this intellectual, superficial level. You shouldn’t dress like him, or smoke like him or have hair like him. You understand, like people usually do. Women come to India and they are all wearing Saris. It is bullshit. They can’t become Indians like that because you are Indian in your heart or mind. It is the same story here. You have, on a certain level that resonance with the source. People are coming to be back with the source. To be reset, you understand? If you come to places where people like Braco are, why are you coming here? Not to build something new on an already bad foundation. You know what I mean?

A. Yes.

D. What you should do is reset your system and start anew. And try to resonate with the source and it will give you a solution. If you can’t do that, it doesn’t work for you. This is why there are a lot of people coming to his place who do not experience anything.

A. Many people want to categorize what a spiritual life looks like, and Braco breaks the mold in many ways for he smokes and does some harmless things?

D. Oh, there are many of them, in the past there are many highly evolved masters, Bugia was drinking and smoking. All Tibetan Lamas are eating meat … it’s just a myth.

A. But many people on the spiritual path today think that they have to give up these many things?

D. Usually, Americans.

A. It’s almost like you stop being human, that you have to discipline yourself so rigorously to fit into a certain mold. And Braco is teaching that you don’t have to do it that hard way anymore. There is naturalness with the spontaneity, humanness.

D. You are paying the price for doing something you don’t feel like doing. It’s obvious, it’s a tremendous stress and it’s frustration. If you come to India, you will see at Sai Baba’s place only the Americans are trying to be good Indians. There is no Indian trying to be a good Indian. Only Americans are trying. Nobody there is vegetarian, half of them are smoking. If you find devotees from California, they will do it because this is the way their minds work. Yes, it’s clear. Everything which is not natural for you at one point you shouldn’t do it. It’s better to do something bad than be frustrated because you didn’t do it. It doesn’t sound nice, but this is the fact of life. And when Rajneesh told that to Americans they busted him, nobody wants to hear this there.

A. This is like people who want to pretend they don’t have anger or negative emotions because they want to be spiritual, and then they become so frustrated inside?

D. It happens all the time.

A. Yes, that they go backward on their path?

D. Yes, that’s right. Suppressed anger turns into animosity, hostility, aggression, everything. Look, it’s the energy, it’s never lost. So this negative stuff which enters your system, you have to release it somehow or transform it. You can’t live with it otherwise.

A. But if you reject it or pretend it’s not there…?

D. You will never ever make it. You have just created another frustration, and another one. What you do when you are frustrated, you are adding a new type of hostility, a new type… I am now vegetarian, I’ll stop smoking. It’s not enough, I’m missing something. Now I’ll be vegan, I don’t want to eat cheese anymore. And what should I add else, I should get up at 2 am and meditate for 2-6 hours. Well, enlightenment is not coming, Jesus, I have to do, I have to add something to it. It’s not true, you should subtract something from it. That’s the worst thing you can do, you are chasing a dragon, and you know this is the worst possibility. Chasing a dragon, all the time you have that wonderful feeling, there’s one more thing I have to do and I’ll be there. And you’ll never arrive at it. This is called the illusion. So spontaneity is the key. So someone is not terrorizing you with his books, with his ideas that you have to quit smoking, quit drinking, quit this, and live like this and live that. You are not yourself anymore ultimately, you are becoming someone else.

A. So when someone comes for a healing session with Braco, what is the best thing they can do to help themselves to optimize the potential of that healing?

D. I have a specific theory about it. I think that in Yoga there’s that point, two fingers below the heart, there is a small sub-chakra that is called Kalpa Vriksha. I think if you concentrate on that, it’s called the wish fulfilling tree. And it was used in classic Indian yoga if someone wanted to accomplish something to solve a problem. I think you can help yourself if you at that point just feel, at the same time you are gazing at him.

A. So would you just be concentrating on the minor chakra at that point?

D. Just feel it.

A. So what about thinking about your problems?

D. No, there’s no need for that because subconsciously you have already delivered your problems to the man in front of you. You don’t have to spell your problems. We believe you have to spell it. It’s there, no matter if you spell it or not. So every problem, it’s like a thought. If you go deeper in your thought, ultimately it becomes so faint that you cannot recognize it. But still it’s the same thought. The problem works in the same way.

A. So somebody comes with a very open attitude, once they actually step into a healing session with Braco, and you suggest they concentrate on that minor chakra right below the heart. This would be the most powerful way that you think they could receive the energy?

D. For some people more sessions are necessary. They are building up that energy in themselves. It’s not for everyone that they can solve the problems instantly. Impossible. For some people it is possible, for some it’s not. You have to build up high enough so that you may cross that barrier. Sometimes it takes time to transform. They need more sessions. Coming and coming, gradually they are basically transforming themselves to it. It’s not always instantaneously. It can’t work like that.

A. This is why people will come again and again, because they are building up an effect within themselves?

D. That’s right, they feel they need it. They feel they need it.

A. And so the books and DVDs that people can get about Braco, these too will help build that energy within them?

D. It’s a booster. It’s a reminder. Different philosophies, religions have different reminders. You understand. It’s like a reminder. You just remember. Just by remembering the feeling you had during the session, you are having it again. It’s on the level of feeling. The problem of this civilization is the feminine side; people do not live their feminine side that is called feeling. They do not feel, they think. So already, when they switch on the feeling level they are starting to solve the problem already on that level. It’s some kind of a mixture between what we call feeling and emotion, but feeling is more than emotion. Emotion is the expression of your inner state of mind; feeling is the way of how to resolve it. So if you accomplish that during this session that you have the feeling, then it works by itself.

A. Spontaneously, it just happens?

D. And there’s another extreme. You enter the area of the emotion, and then you are becoming very emotional and everything, which is just the expression of what you experience, but it is not a solution for your problem. It’s just the expression of your inner state, your current inner state.

The Sun Symbol of Braco and Ivica

A. What about Braco’s sun symbol that people wear?

D. It has 13 rays and is of an ancient tradition. Only the 13 ray golden sun actually fits in Ying and Yang simultaneously, is the presence of both principles inside one symbol. This is the only symbol that contains both of the principles, both of extremes in one. It’s very rare in history. You have just one God in the Shinto tradition that is the male god of the moon. In the whole history of humanity, you have just one female god of the sun. It is extremely rare. One is Sumerian and the other is coming from the Japanese Shinto tradition. So here you have that unusual intuitive level on which Ivica realized this. It is that this symbol contains at the same time that grain of Ying and Yang, and that grain of Yang and Ying. It’s the perfect combination. I traced it to other civilizations and traditions. I see it clearly, it’s very clear.

A. So when somebody sees this symbol, or when they wear the gold sun, it continues to give an individual the power, it continues to build that power within them to transform?

D. Everything is devoted to that, everything is for that purpose.

A.  Yes, I mean specifically with Braco, the symbol is a potent ally to his work. It embodies it in a way?

D. It became part of the human perception of him because people always see him connected to this symbol for 14 years, it’s normal. Somehow they became one, it’s very big, it’s the matter of the authority on the level of the reflex. It’s always interconnected, but the meaning itself goes far deeper than the individual personality. It’s a unique symbol, a historically significant symbol that unites this principal in such a way that is extremely rare. I told you they are found in only two religions in all of history, and you can count at least 20,000 different religions on the face of the Earth. So if you trace it properly you can find the roots for an explanation of what it actually does mean. It’s a highly complex issue, why it contains both types. There are reasons for everything. You can reference some historical facts, it’s highly complex. In Japan, you have the number four, which is the symbol of everything bad. Numbers are symbols and 13 is a specific number, but it was never been incorporated into the symbol like the sun itself. It’s highly unusual.

A. And the symbol, the way it is presented today on all of Braco’s material, is something that Braco himself had the vision of?

D. No, it was Ivica actually. He was the one who picked this from the collective consciousness.

A. So Ivica picked the symbol, but didn’t Braco bring it into its current form?

D. You can say that. You know, there are no real borders between these two. When Ivica was alive, Braco already was in a way on that path. It’s actually hard to say all these details, you can’t put it as in historical books. On that date, I saw this. On that date, this happened or that happened. It doesn’t work like that. It’s all intertwined. The birth of the symbol itself – it’s gradually manifesting itself physically as your subconscious is manifesting itself on the other level. So there are parallel paths. You can’t say this is the date. It’s not like when America was born. It’s more intertwined.

A. Do you understand how the mirror works, how Ivica was able to use the mirror?

D. There are many theories about it. You have a lot of practices throughout the world, throughout history. Like Dr Dee in Great Britain was the first one describing the obsidian mirrors in which he could contact different entities from parallel worlds. He could see the future. After that, I think it was the sixteenth century, you have new broader techniques, methods, theories connected to mirrors, the way mirrors work. In every Eastern tradition, in Shinto temples you have a mirror in front of you. Then you have that famous exercise in which you look into your own eyeballs in the mirror – so you can see your faces from past lives. There are innumerable techniques and methods of using mirrors in the history of humanity, on all continents, so there is probably some connection. And I don’t think Ivica was reading about it. He came to that spontaneously. So he could see stuff in it. Now you have plenty of things. You can see your own aura if you switch on a red light in your room, and look at yourself in the mirror but from the profile, you can see your aura clearly. There are many techniques involving mirrors. It’s very hard to tell precisely. He didn’t like to talk about it too much. He did not give any explanations.

A. But the sun symbol that Braco uses is that more to stimulate the subconscious to give more an archetypal symbol from the collective consciousness, than the mirror which is meant to reflect back information?

D. Exactly, it’s not solely a one-dimensional issue. The symbol itself has more aspects to it. It’s not only the sun principle, which is basically the Yang principle, the active principle, the light principle. The number 13 has the moisture, the dark principle, the moon principle in it so it’s a mixture as we all are. So it’s a multidimensional effect that it has on the consciousness of people. You have to study what it actually means from the point of view of the other civilizations and traditions. Even more than psychology. This symbology is very tricky stuff. Because it’s very well known that the symbol has tremendous power itself.

A. I’d like to end this interview discussing something that Ivica said. Ivica made a prediction that Braco would come to America once a transformation in the psyche of the American people had taken place?

D. He said more like to the new lands or something similar. In Europe you don’t say America, it’s the new land, New World. He said something like that. He would go to the New World. Which means he knew Braco’s mission, there’s no doubt about it. He said to him, you know, when I will not be around, there will be thousands around you here. So he knew that goal in these things.

A. This particular statement about Braco going to the New World when a change in consciousness took place? In February Braco went to the United States for the first time. Now he’s going to be going back. Braco has had a huge effect in many countries in Europe with his healing work. What do you think is in store for the American people and other countries of the World that Braco is now going to be visiting in the future? How do you think his healing talent and what he offers is going to affect these new countries?

D. There are coincidences, it’s very strange. He moved to America, he was invited to America exactly at the point Obama was elected. And now he is going to Hawaii, and Obama was coming from Hawaii, yes. There are many coincidences like that. I don’t like to discuss that stuff. It sounds like a marketing story. There are many coincidences. These are just two. You know you can find support for a lot of them, coincidences like that. Well the time will tell. I don’t think projections into the future, what will happen, and what will be the effect on people in America, in which year, and how. I just don’t feel like making any projections. I don’t know. He can create something unbelievable. I don’t know.

A. I’m thinking more in terms of the incredible opportunity. There’s a catalyzing effect going on here. So Braco is soon going to be coming more to the United States and then other English speaking countries and beyond. So it’s more about letting people know that there’s this incredible opportunity coming.

D. Well it depends. I see it as whatever has to happen will happen. So all the information needed will be there. It’s like when you are reading the newspaper – I don’t know if you have observed this, I did with myself, I read an article and when I have finished with the article, my wife was reading the same article. Suddenly she makes a comment, and I realize I haven’t remembered that part of the argument because that wasn’t meant for me. You know it happens all the time. It’s like with books, with conversation. If you, for example, have a discussion with some friends for an hour while you are having a coffee, you will not necessarily remember everything. You’ll memorize what is needed for you at that point. So usually, we take in the information that is needed at that point for our evolution.

A. It’s right back to the Now, being present.

D. It’s easiest. It’s here now and that’s what you should deal with. What comes, comes. It will come by itself. Anyways, it’s beyond our power to decide. So there is something much more powerful that is making decisions. You can have dreams – sometimes they are fulfilled, sometimes they are not, it depends. It’s the greatest mystery ever. It’s the mystery of life itself.